[Event] Cape Town Community Night - 29th October 2014


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When: 18:30 until around 21:30, Wednesday 29th October

Where: City Varsity new campus, 18 Roeland Street, Cape Town.
"For folks struggling to find City Varsity on Google Maps, it's near the bottom of Roeland Street close to parliament and in the building that used to house Charly's Bakery.

Charly's is still visible on Street View next to the panel shop if you type in 8 Roeland Street (the nearest approximation) and go down to Street View: https://goo.gl/maps/KvUhR "

Take note, there will be no free, provided food at this venue!

If you have a demo you want played, bring a station on which people can play it, and set it up before the meetup begins!

Agenda:
- 6:30 - 7:00 - Meet and greet
- Rapid fire intros (10 min)
- Community News (5 min)
- [Unconfirmed] Sarah and Colin Northway ~ 5 mins (+question time)
- [Unconfirmed] Kelly Wallick ~ 5 mins (+question time)
- Gamergate Open Floor discussion - @dammit ~30 mins

- Focused Feedback (10 min slots) x3
- 6x Mass Production Tutorials
- Merghezerds
- @BlackShipsFilltheSky game demo

- Open Demo Floor

This event happens monthly, is free to attend, and anyone may speak at the meetup - just comment beneath to let us know! This is for anyone and everyone interested in making games of any shape, size or type. Come join us!

Test games! Talk games! Make games!

Indicate your attendance on the Facebook event !

Comments


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    Hey, I've been wanting to deliver a talk for some time on delivering game critique to balance effectiveness, compassion and motivation (with thanks to Andy Walsh, who dedicated an excellent section to it in his writing workshop).

    The main angle is balancing morale against the value of the feedback -- to be gracious without tiptoeing or empty backpatting.

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    Hi. I'd like to do a quick talk about my company, Formula D, our current game design project and our non-profit initiative the "Play to Learn Lab" where we're using games for education.

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    I'm asking Colin and Sarah Northway (www.northwaygames.com) to give a quick talk, if we're really lucky we might be able to get Kelly Wallick (www.indiemegabooth.com) to say a few things as well :)

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    Once again, I'm proposing a gamergate open floor discussion. I had some feedback last month that people do want to have this discussion and the continued popularity of the thread on this forum as well as the un-ending gamergate campaign online, I feel it's still a valid conversation to have.

    Also, FB event link please?

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    I'll grab a focus feedback slot for 6x Mass Production('s new tutorials)

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    Where did all this content come from -_-.

    Okay, @Nandrew you're down.

    @MNRosa How long do you need for your talk? 10 mins?

    @dislekcia Have you confirmed both/either/all of our esteemed guests' attendance? :)

    @dammit I agree the discussion needs to be had, how long do you need? It looks like time will be tight this month.

    @raxter Cooooooool.

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    Months go by so fast :D

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    Please can someone record the guest talks and share on the MGSA YouTube channel?

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    10 mins is perfect @Bensonance

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    If there is time I would like to do a demo/feedback session on Mehrgehrzerds.
    Once again, I'm proposing a gamergate open floor discussion.
    I appreciate the notion but I just honestly feel there is nothing productive that will come from a discussion of GamerGate. Saying "harassment is bad mkay" doesn't advance anything, and those who are interested can go read the 20 pages worth on discussion on this forum.


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    If there's time, I'd like to do a demo and get some feedback on a prototype of mine (that I did with @Aequitas, and Dawid Strauss and @Bevis and Deon Van Heerden)

    I think Mehrgehrzerds needs the feedback more though. I'd happily do a really short demo if that's all that's available.

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    raithza said:
    Once again, I'm proposing a gamergate open floor discussion.
    I appreciate the notion but I just honestly feel there is nothing productive that will come from a discussion of GamerGate. Saying "harassment is bad mkay" doesn't advance anything, and those who are interested can go read the 20 pages worth on discussion on this forum.

    Actually, that's not the discussion I want to have. I want to have a discussion about what we, as indie developers in SA, should be doing in reaction to what is happening. There are a lot of different opinions on the subject and bringing everyone's voices to the floor would be worthwhile, in my opinion.


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    dammit said:
    Actually, that's not the discussion I want to have. I want to have a discussion about what we, as indie developers in SA, should be doing in reaction to what is happening.
    I'd rather spend that time and energy talking about how we can grow the gaming industry in SA as a whole. Let's take some of the good observations (about culture, authority, viral ideas, etc) from that fiasco, and figure out how to best implement those learnings here. Leave the drama on their shores.

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    @dislekcia Have you confirmed both/either/all of our esteemed guests' attendance? :)
    Kelly was keen, Colin and Sarah should make it, but I don't know about talking... You should poke @Aequitas about it, he'll be lifting them seeing as I'm out of the country ;)
    wogan said:
    dammit said:
    Actually, that's not the discussion I want to have. I want to have a discussion about what we, as indie developers in SA, should be doing in reaction to what is happening.
    I'd rather spend that time and energy talking about how we can grow the gaming industry in SA as a whole. Let's take some of the good observations (about culture, authority, viral ideas, etc) from that fiasco, and figure out how to best implement those learnings here. Leave the drama on their shores.
    I don't see why the discussion you're proposing can't be had on these forums, @Wogan. Meanwhile we've seen exactly why the discussions @Dammit's proposing is better to have in real life where actual empathy is easier to establish and unreasonable people can get feedback on their actions faster instead of spiraling into worse behavior.

    Even then, why does one topic have to supplant another? Just propose your topic and people can vote to have that if they want it, we have lots of meetups, there's no limitation to what we can talk about. You don't have to defeat another suggestion for a topic, please don't make this an either/or situation when it isn't one.

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    dislekcia said:
    Even then, why does one topic have to supplant another? Just propose your topic and people can vote to have that if they want it, we have lots of meetups, there's no limitation to what we can talk about. You don't have to defeat another suggestion for a topic, please don't make this an either/or situation when it isn't one.
    I think you're misunderstanding my intention here. I'm all for a discussion about GamerGate - I'm just not down for a discussion that'll devolve into side-taking and name-calling and general ill will, and there's been some of that on the forums. It's a hugely polarizing issue, and I think it should just be clear up front what the intended outcome of that conversation should be.

    If the plan is to just open the floor for undirected, open comment, then that's fine, but I won't be participating. I know that @dammit's already stated she wants to have a discussion about how SA indie devs should react, but as we've seen on these very forums, those reactions can be varied and opposing. If the stated outcome was something specific (for instance, what to watch out for to prevent gender stereotyping, or how to reach out to new audiences, or how to design socially-conscious narrative), I feel it would be a lot more focused and productive.

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    I've previously expressed reservation about GamerGame at a meetup. Tragically it's gotten very real for many women and seemingly isn't going away, so as a community of game developers not addressing the topic could even been seen as irresponsible.

    But I rile at the thought of an open floor discussion. It's ideological topic and anyone with an opinion has long since decided what they think. Also, "unreasonable people getting feedback on their actions faster instead of spiraling into worse behavior" - in my experience that causes people to double down and entrench their ideology because it's under treat.

    But as @dammit may or may not be alluding to, there are other things around GG that may be worth talking about. Things like how communities and ideologies form. Why people opinions are so difficult to change ( as wonderfully explored here). How empathy fails online. How internet figures are singled out (This is Phil Fish). How some women have experienced very real abuse in real life and if there is anyway to avoid the actions of radicals? Really just anything besides GamerGate itself, because that a thoroughly done topic.

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    ...there are other things around GG that may be worth talking about.
    +1 - If anything, this drama has thrown into sharp focus the distance that games still have to go, and how much more aware we can all be when it comes to creating them.
    Really just anything besides GamerGate itself, because that a thoroughly done topic.
    +10000000

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    To be clear, I do not want to discuss GamerGate in the sense of what it is. I think we all know what happened and if you don't, there are a bazillion articles you can find online to fill your time with reading to find all the various points of view.

    My thought is that the conversation around GamerGate needs to change. Instead of discussing what it is, who did what, when, where, why etc, the conversation needs to be moved towards positively building games in future. We need to stop talking as if white male teenager is the default gamer and start examining why we think a meetup that is 90% white males is normal. We need to be challenging ourselves and becoming uncomfortable to be able to change the industry. And we can start by talking about these things with each other online and off.

    And, the only way that conversation starts happening is by the 90% white males changing what they talk about. That's you guys. It's not me. I cannot actually make change because I am, by nature, not part of the default. This makes it even harder for me to keep bringing up the topic and suggesting this discussion be had because if it makes you uncomfortable, imagine how uncomfortable I feel?

    Edit: So the point of the open floor discussion is to ask you - as the prominent and representative indie game devs from Cape Town - how we are going to do this. What is our action plan going forward? Can we agree on what should be done?

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    @dammit 100% with you there - that's a conversation I'd much rather have myself, too. Leave the drama online ;)

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    I'm worried the open discussion might go on for a while since there's no allotted time for it, should/could we move the demo slots to before that perhaps?

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    Following what @raxter said, will there still be time allotted afterwards to mingle/show off games that are not suitable to a Feedback Friday slot?

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    I've taken this to the committee for discussion. Report back soon.

    *Mysterious hand waving*

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    Well, whatever happens I am going to be there early to test with individual people so come find me if you'd like to try out the new version!

    Especially if you've not played games like SpaceChem and other "puzzle games for engineers", but anyone really. I really need to battle test these tutorials with as wide a range of people before I go too far down the level design rabbit hole :p

    Also, anyone know if the projector takes HDMI? Or if I'll need a converter, or to loan a laptop with VGA/DVI?

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    Oh! That reminds me. I'll be bringing Worst Warriors this week and setting that up early before the meetup if anyone wants to give it a go. It's a lot prettier than it was the last time it saw a MGSA meetup (before AMAZE).

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    Ooh this meetup is starting to sound real good ..

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    So what exactly will the Northways and Kelly Wallick be talking about?

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    They might just be visiting without a talk this month :p

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    They did say they'll give short talks, no idea about topics though.

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    *Waves hands mysteriously*

    Okay - so I've spoken to a couple of people and what we'll do it postpone Marco and Rodain's talks until next month (spoken to them both already). Both the Northways and Kelly Wallick will be speaking (just 5 mins or so each).

    We postponed the talks just so we can give everyone a good chance to ask our foreign guests questions, in addition to allowing the roundtable discussion some time, while still enabling the evening to round off with some lovely focused feedback slots :).

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    Anyone going to grab food before the meetup?
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